PLAN COMMISSION
February 19, 2009
Members present: Knudson, Burchill, Yoerg, Olson, Selissen and Vance
Others present: Gordon Conard, Mike Darrow, Dan Jochum, Mike
Bebeault and
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m.
Moved by Burchill, seconded by Yoerg to
approve the meeting minutes of 2-11-09.
Motion carried.
Comprehensive plan update: Review of draft land use element and planning districts. (A copy of the PowerPoint presentation is available through the community development office upon request.) Darnold introduced Mike Darrow and Dan Jochum of SEH to discuss the comprehensive plan update issues scheduled for this evening. Darnold noted that he had provided a copy of his review of the consultant’s recommendations.
Darrow noted the concentration of discussions would be in regard to the planning districts and objectives proposed for each planning district. Why create planning districts? Darrow explained that the planning districts are proposed:
- To provide a detailed description of specific areas of the city.
- To separate the city into geographical areas that have similar land uses or development issues.
- To serve as a road map for the city in making land use decisions in the future.
Darrow explained that the planning districts are not the same as zoning (regulatory) districts, but are created for development strategies. After the comprehensive plan is adopted the zoning ordinance must be in conformance with the comprehensive plan, advised Darrow.
The proposed planning districts will be used to provide guidance, determine types of preferred development and establish policies specific to the districts, Darrow explained; further noting that each district will have unique features, but that there may be some policies that will be similar in more than one district.
Darrow noted that things will change over time and that the planning districts must be able to be amended periodically. Amendments will require the comprehensive plan to be amended which provides a process for discussion of the issues when an amendment is proposed.
How will policies be determined? Darrow explained that the policies will be determined by the plan commission upon review of the existing conditions and public review and input.
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Darrow summarized the activities for the this evening’s discussions including review of the land use and recommendations for each planning district, determine opportunity areas outside the city of Hudson corporate limits and establish a date for the next open house / public review session.
Darrow explained that the proposed planning district boundaries were established with review by the community development director initially and fine tuned through discussions with the mayor, city administrator and community development director. At this time, it needs to be understood that the districts are subject to change and are based on a combination of issues; geography, similar land uses and physical barriers. Darrow briefly reviewed the general locations of the eight (8) planning districts and five (5) opportunity areas. Darrow reminded the commission that this is a work in process and the draft shown tonight is meant to be a beginning point in the review process.
Knudson encouraged the plan commissioners to be actively involved in the discussions.
Planning district #1, Historic
Downtown. This area is
comprised of the downtown or central business district from I-94 to
Yoerg asked about the potential growth of the downtown, reuse or redevelopment of residences and the commercial parking that is creeping into the residential neighborhoods. Darrow suggested that the city may want to consider form base zoning for which the city will be more interested in the form or appearance of the structures than the actual use.
Vance asked about the chart and map coordination. Darnold noted the discrepancies of the map and the chart color designations do not match (chart – pink, map – gray) as presented.
Knudson inquired about the terminology of medium family density and neighborhood commercial. Darrow responded that the terms were borrowed from the 1993 plan. Darnold noted that medium density residential will go up to 16 units per acre and that the term neighborhood commercial should be changed to downtown commercial for planning district #1.
Vance asked what changes may be discussed. Darrow noted that map or policy changes are being reviewed and open for discussion and revision. Darrow asked the commission to forward map changes to Darnold.
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Knudson noted that the future land use map may not align with existing zoning and that in some instances the zoning may need to be amended to align with the newly adopted land use map.
Olson asked what land uses were included in the public category. Darnold responded that had previously been discussed and that only governmental uses should be included.
Darrow noted that the term Future Land Use Map should be shown only as Land Use Map (drop Future).
Darnold commented that the second policy, in regard to an overlay district in regard to mixed use parking, has been completed.
Yoerg asked about medium density residential. Darnold noted that a high density residential district designation should be created for densities greater than 16 units per acre and that the single- and two-family residential districts are designated separately. Darnold also explained that the zoning code may allow differed densities within the medium density range.
Discussion ensued in regard to
Yoerg asked about the islands and the dike area and if specific plans should be conducted to determine uses for those areas. Darnold responded that the areas should be shown and that general policies developed, but that this plan will not go into specific detail and if that is a desire of the plan commission and Common Council that a study will need to be authorized in the future to implement the established policies. Yoerg asked that the islands and dike road be mapped to show the existence of the properties. It was agreed to place these areas on the map(s).
Vance inquired about showing additional properties as
park. Darnold responded that the Xcel
Energy property north of
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Darnold noted that the park board has had a desire to
purchase land on the west side of
Vance asked about the expansion of the downtown area and the
one-half block located east of
Darrow offered that the city may address that issue in two ways; first by designating the area for future development, second by keeping it as residential and allow parties to petition for a comprehensive map amendment and rezoning.
Knudson noted that the commercial area is not just developed by commercial building, but also by parking and that the city must look at the provision of additional parking downtown.
Darnold opined that the one-half block east of Third Street from Walnut to Vine Streets is a mixed use and should that area be designated all commercial except the residence south of Locust Street on the west side of the alley.
Darnold reviewed land use designations / map changes to include:
Extend the
park designation for the area west of
Designate the former post office building as commercial.
Designate
the
The plan commission directed the westerly one-half block for
the area between Third
Planning district #2, North Central
Knudson inquired about the use of the term ‘marginal’ in policy #4 in the narrative. Darrow stated that was intended to identify residential areas that may allow reuse of the
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properties for residential or other compatible uses and that the policy should be changed to remove ‘for marginal homes’.
Darnold commented on the reuse of existing residential as it is an issue that the city may need to narrow the scope of redevelopment. Darrow agreed noting that the function of uses must be compatible with the existing neighborhoods.
Darnold noted that policy #5 may be eliminated as no homes are in need of acquisition or removal due to flood hazard conditions.
Map changes proposed by Darnold include:
Designate
the church properties in the
Designation
of the public garage ‘west’ located west of
Remove the
designation of the railroad tracks east of
Designate
the former hospital site, now part of
Designate
part of the
Designate
an area north of
The plan commission directed the
Knudson asked about the designation of the old courthouse on Third and Orange Streets and the synagogue across the street to the south. Darnold commented those should be changed to single-family and institutional designations respectively.
Vance inquired about the potential change of single-family to two- to four-unit structures in this planning district. Darrow noted it would not be a variance, but may require a conditional use permit in conformance with the neighborhood scale. He noted that mixed uses exist in the area, and this issue would be addressed in the zoning standards. Darnold commented that the further north you get within this planning district the more careful the city will want to be as those neighborhoods do have a high percentage of single-family homes. Concerns were expressed by Vance and Yoerg about providing too much flexibility to incorporate change in these established residential neighborhoods. Yoerg pointed out the existence of the historic neighborhoods and potential impact on those areas.
Darnold commented that the two-family zoning district was set up in 1957 to serve as a transition district and the commission may want to create a specific area close-in to the downtown area that would allow for potential transitions to commercial uses or greater
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density of residential uses. Darrow suggested that should be considered in a more specific recommendation or policy and to identify a specific area as a transitional area that may be designated. Jochum also noted that the zoning regulations will restrict the density that an area may be redeveloped through the number of units per lot area.
Darrow recommended that in this planning district that an overlay district be created to identify the historic districts and that there may be specific regulations for that historic overlay district to protect redevelopment to be implemented within the context of that neighborhood. Darnold indicated that that would be similar to the downtown overlay district created in 2007.
Yoerg asked about the day care and SOS theatre properties. Darnold responded those are permitted uses through a conditional use permit and the land use can remain as a single-family designation.
Planning
Darrow reviewed the policies proposed indicating that the
commercial area south of
Darnold suggested that the commercial areas abutting
Burchill asked about the designation of an area on both
sides of
In regard to the policies Darnold suggested that policy #2 be removed because there is no areas south of Ward Avenue in this planning district, except west of Eleventh Street which is proposed to be moved to planning district #6.
Darnold suggested that the land use map be amended to include:
O’Connell
Funeral Home located east of
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Designate
the eastern half of the block on
Knudson commented that the south edge of this planning
district has recently been the area of the most crime in the city and that it
is an area for potential redevelopment because it is heavily trafficked and
that it is a heavily populated area of the city. Darrow commented that this area needs to be
looked at as being oriented to the north to the residential areas instead of a
car only destination. Vance asked about
the higher density residential areas on the north side of
Yoerg commented that this area has recently experienced some vacancies. Darrow noted that this is a transitioning area and the city should establish parameters as to how it may be redeveloped, if that is desired. Knudson asked Darrow if they may be able to draft some recommendations to address the issue of redevelopment. Darrow agreed to do that.
Planning
Darrow urged the plan commission to review the issue of connectivity through streets and trail systems that will provide opportunities for the flow of traffic, particularly pedestrian traffic, between the public, institutional and residential uses in this area.
Darnold commented that because this area is essentially developed and that policy #1 perhaps should not include the term ‘expansion’.
Darnold reviewed map changes:
Designate the school forest area to be consistent with the school.
Designate the Jacobson’s Woods subdivision as single-family.
Designate the First Presbyterian Church property as institutional.
Designate
the city water tower site on
Designate the multiple family residential part of Oakridge, located north of the county government center, as medium density residential.
Designate
Knudson noted that the YMCA property should be designated as institutional.
Yoerg asked about
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development of satellite fire,
Vance questioned the intent of recommending the development
of a street network that can accommodate development to the east. Darrow commented that the city must consider
the capacity of the roadway systems that are available for future development
if the city continues to extend easterly in the future. Darnold commented that
Planning
Yoerg asked about the applicability of the riverway standards.
Darnold noted that this entire area is in the
Map amendments proposed by Darnold include:
To include
three parcels on the west side of
To change
the designation of
Knudson noted that much of the I-94 right-of-way area is designated as single-family residential and should be undesignated as is other street right-of-way areas.
Planning
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Darrow suggested that the city should review a wayfinding signage system; sustainability standards for landscaping, lighting and traffic calming; buffer standards; alternative living standards; and a comprehensive traffic strategy. Knudson noted that is a lot to be considered. Darrow noted yes, but there are issues such as a wayfinding system to direct people in getting to their destinations and shared parking to reduce the impact of the large parking lots that may be resolved rather easily.
One significant policy proposed includes the promotion of redevelopment of the neighborhood area north of I-94 which is more pedestrian oriented, Darrow explained.
Darnold suggested the following map changes:
Inclusion of the commercial area east of Eleventh Street and the Plaza 94 area, both north of I-94 into planning district #6.
Change the single / two-family
area east of
Designate city owned storm water ponds and water utility properties to public.
Designate the part of the Bieneman Farm residential development that now exists as single family or two-family from medium residential to single-family residential.
Place the
area east of
Designate
Jochum stated that some communities have one combined district for institutional,
Olson questioned why the schools were designated
institutional. Darnold explained that
had been discussed at previous meetings of the plan commission, and it was
proposed that way. After further
discussion it was agreed that the schools that are part of the
Knudson suggested that the vacated Hudson Meadows greyhound racing facility be designated as general commercial. It was agreed by the plan commission to change the designation title from Highway and Recreational Commercial to General Commercial land use designation.
Knudson also asked for the commission to decide on the
single-family residential area immediately south of the commercial area and
east of
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Yoerg asked about the quarry located west of the
Selissen commented that because of the possible review of
the potential transition of the commercial area north of I-94 that that
commercial area should be placed in planning district #3. Knudson reminded the commission that this
planning district also has Target and Family Fresh grocery which is more in
common with the commercial entities south of I-94. It was decided that the commercial area from
Vance inquired about the level of specificity for transportation for the planning districts. Darrow noted that this is a general plan and the plan may recommend specific areas that should be studied in more detail.
Knudson asked about the
Knudson questioned the inclusion of policy #8, to create
design standards which incorporate energy efficient building materials, solar
and wind power, LEED certified buildings and use of impervious paved surfaces
as that is a lot to suggest. Darnold
asked if the intent was to require this in new and / or redeveloped parcels or
to incent the efficiency standards in some other form. Knudson commented that he would like to see
the city of
Knudson mentioned that the city is working with the other
Yoerg noted that the city should re-review the issue of pervious surfaces where applicable.
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Planning
Darnold indicated that much of this area has been approved through
master plans for the types of housing and density and that there is not a lot
of area of expansion of low density residential uses as suggested in policy #1. The plan commission agreed to change the term
‘expansion’ to ‘continuation’ in policy #1.
Knudson questioned the configuration and designation of the Heritage Market
(neighborhood commercial) area at the northwest quadrant of STH 35 and
Darnold suggested the following map changes:
Designate
the western part of the Lighthouse residential neighborhood as single family as
well as the homes abutting
Designate
the water utility property on the east side of
Knudson suggested that the commercial area at the southwest quadrant of STH 35 and Hanley Road would be a good area to consider the incorporation of lighting standards to mitigate the impact of commercial development in close proximity to the existing residential development on the north side of Hanley Road or the east side of STH 35.
Planning
Darnold indicated that policy #2 indicated the creation of a
street network that will support the development from the east and that
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Darnold suggested map changes in the business park to indicate the storm ponds to be designated public.
Opportunity Areas – town of
Darrow noted that there is a list of proposed policies that is not part of this PowerPoint presentation and was part of the informational packet forwarded to the plan commission.
Darrow reviewed the five Opportunity Areas located either in
the towns of
Area #1. This area is
located immediately east of STH 35 and north of I-94 and includes the
Area #2. This area is
generally located at the intersection of Hwy 12 and CTH U near the
railroad. Darrow indicated that this
area may be suitable for the location of a depot for high speed rail or light
rail service if extended into the
Area #3. The intersection of Hwy 12 and I-94 may be an opportunity for more detailed planning to determine best uses for the expansion of services to this area.
Area #4. This is a
largely undeveloped area in close proximity to the new River Crest elementary
school and south of the city of
Area #5. Located in the town of
Darrow emphasized that the city must discuss and cooperate with the towns in consideration of these issues.
Darnold cautioned the plan commission in having a ‘blanket’
policy that would not allow annexations if there is available land within the
city. An example is the hospital’s
recent purchase of property abutting the hospital, but located in the town of
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Jochum noted that the city must be careful in consideration of annexation of property when it may result in land being brought into the city, not being developed for a long period of time and the town losing property tax revenues. Knudson responded that the city annexation review is extensive and requires details in regard to cost implications and utility capacity to be reviewed by city staff and information then presented to the plan commission and Common Council prior to consideration of the annexation requested.
Knudson noted that there is room for a lot of work on the policies proposed for the opportunity areas.
Upcoming meeting for the comprehensive plan update and open house. Darnold commented that an open house was scheduled for late February or March, but he further opined that it may be premature to schedule the open house until late March or April to provide the plan commission and SEH to get through more discussions so that sufficient information is available to the public to review. Mike Darrow / SEH agreed. It was agreed to wait to schedule the open house until sufficient information is available. Darrow commented that the next comprehensive plan discussion will include the continued discussion of land use issues and infrastructure and utility issues.
Burchill inquired about the
Vance asked about the possibility of meeting with the towns
in regards to the issues identified by the city. Knudson acknowledged that the town of
Other business for information only or placement on future agendas. Darnold noted that the next regularly scheduled meeting of the plan commission is Thursday evening, March 5th. Knudson stated that is the spring break week for the school district and asked that everyone check their calendars to see if they will be available to meet on that date. Darnold agreed to poll the commissioners about their availability on March 5 or the following week. Tentatively the next comprehensive plan discussion is scheduled for March 19th.
Motion by Yoerg, seconded by Olson to adjourn. Motion carried. 9:28 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Dennis Darnold, Secretary